Personally I do not find anything
wrong with the incidents that you
mention in the article. Somebody
kissed someone in public. Big deal.
If they do not have any problem then
who are we to judge others. We are
not God to pass final judgments on
fellow humans. I would rather see
two persons kissing in public be it
from same or opposite sex than two
persons killing each other in
public. If the two persons involved
are consensual, then why not. Show
your affection. How is it that
holding hands in park is alright but
kissing is not alright? Public
display of affection, if any thing,
I believe makes us more tolerant
instead of flying off the handle,
burning posters, holding rallies for
nothing. What appears to some like a
moral degradation, I find it more
liberating from some cheap social
taboos and stigmas. But then thats
me. I do not condemn your article in
any ways if what you wrote are your
personal views. Your moral compass
is bound to be quite different from
mine or anyone elses. - Ravindra
Kumar - May 4, 2007
This is not a condemnation of either
previous articles in anyway so do
not construe it to be so.
I just want to say that all the
rallies & effigy burning brought
about against this incident was
'probably' politically initiated
since I would like to bring to
everyone's attention that Bollywood
has been given a very free hand to
put on the big screen whatever they
feel the 'public' wants. There was
an article to this subject the other
day that compared 'older' movies to
the trash that is now being passed
to the general public as movies. Any
rating system is only as good as the
people who enforce that system. I
grew up in Patna and there were
never any usher in any theatre that
stopped underage kids from entering
to see 'A' rated movies. On the
other hand since the influx of
'foreign' - aka Hollywood' movies
without any bar is being copied by
filmmakers (with the addition of a
little desi masala) does nothing to
reduce the situation prevailing in
the country. I think the politicians
(and the media) should have the
sense to tell the public that it is
not in our culture and that is not
'normal' for Indians to act that way
in their own country. They are free
to do so when they go overseas and
the local culture is more accepting
of that kind of PDA.
The stunt pulled by the Bhojpuri
actors was absolutely un-called for
but again I guess they did that
since they were trying to promote
their film (good or bad) and it has
always been the best way to get in
the limelight by doing something
scandalous. Seriously, if that
incident never took place then only
the people following Bhojpuri films
would have heard about the movie
whereas now due to the medium of the
internet a lot more people in the
world know about the film as well as
the actors involved. Bottom
line-----FREE PUBLICITY.
This kind of behavior cannot be
stopped by these rallies and traffic
disruptions; it has to come from
good parenting and good school
guidance. - Johnny Chiang - May
4, 2007
Dear Ravindra ji:
I am a little confused about your
comment "We are not God to pass
final judgment on fellow humans".
Are you saying that we should throw
away all our norms, cultural values
as we know it out of the window
since 'we are not God' and have no
right to judge others?
Let's look at it from a different
view. How do/would you feel if you
see two people making love (and I
mean it in its complete sexual
connotation) in full view in a
park/mall/cinema hall etc? Is that
okay with you? After all who are we
to judge them, right? Where do you
draw the line what is
acceptable/appropriate and what is
not? Or are you suggesting we should
not draw that line, period?
From time immemorial, each
nation/civilization/religion had its
own customs, taboos, and behavior
that were acceptable or
unacceptable. Even Sita had to go
through an 'agni pariksha' because
Lord Ram and others thought (or
wrongly assumed) what she did (or
did not do) was morally wrong. It's
another story that she came out
unscathed but the fact remains even
she was judged by none other than a
man we, the Hindus, consider God.
Judging other people's behavior is
neither a new concept nor it's going
away anywhere in the future.
Morality, the sense of right or
wrong, differentiates human beings
from animals. Animals do it in
public; you surely don't expect the
same behavior from humans, do you?
While these days it's a fashion to
go against the time-established old
fashioned values and morals,
morality is here to stay just as it
has survived for millions of years.
Calling someone's behavior wrong is
not playing God, in my humble
opinion.
If you don't believe in judging
human being's behavior or actions,
then you should follow it to the
hilt, not half-heartedly. I am
inclined to say that if it comes
down to your own sons or daughters,
you would be the first one to advise
them to not do certain things in
public.
Please understand that my comments
are not about kissing in public per
se. I am taking umbrage to your
statement that we must not pass
judgment on fellow human beings
because 'we are not God'.
As for Shilpa-Gere controversy, I
think it was a matter way overblown
by media and our self-appointed
moral police in India. Gere is not
an Indian and his acts were not lewd
by any stretch of imagination. What
the two Bhojpuri actors, however,
did was abhorrent and despicable for
obvious reasons. - Rajiv Chandra
- May 4, 2007
The
Romeos of different Indian towns &
cities have decamped from public
places as the police have launched
various operations against them. One
such on-going operation aptly named
"Operation Romeo" has picked up many
love birds from public places and
put them where they belong - inside
the cages in the thana. Earlier it
had become embarrassing to take a
walk with your family in a public
places as love birds were found on
the benches in various poses. The
more indecent the pose the more the
attention from people around and the
more the thrill for the cheapy love
birds. The Indian system is fighting
back now. - Rajesh - May
4, 2007
If
you see the video, you would find
that it was not just an honest peck
on the cheek, but more like a hungry
smooch. It gave the impression that
given some privacy, Richard Gere
could have gone even further, Shilpa
willing. But if you have just seen
the pictures in the newspapers, it
looks harmless. So, in a sense, the
outcry is justified. - Shitanshu - May
9, 2007
There is no need for anybody to bang
their heads against each others on
such trivial topic like this one
because it only shows how much we
are concerned by such acts which
have no meaning in day to day life.
There are many and hundreds of such
incidences happening across India
and other places in the world going
unreported which does not imply that
such acts or more despicable acts do
happen and it depends on some vested
interests to raise such a hue and
cry.
In one of the comments our writer
friend asks "what if we find some
one in a compromising position in
full public view and we must react
or not."
Now kindly think has any such
incidence been heard or recorded
anywhere in the world? even in most
liberal societies no one (even the
most ashamed would not do it in full
public view, it happens in many
flights but again they are covered
with blankets etc.)
Therefore to exemplify on this
magnitude will not drive anyone
anywhere.
Now coming to the reactions, India
is a country of 1.5 Billion people
and consisting of people from many
schools of thought and beliefs so if
at all there is some friction it is
normal and we as sensible citizens
should try to cool the atmosphere
instead of fanning the fire.
Nevertheless, deep inside every
civilised individual there is a
desire and lurk for doing something
naughty and something off the
records and they do it simply and
nonchalantly to either be a rebel of
sort or just for the sake of it.
In case Richard Gere had that desire
to go further but he did not because
even in his society anything more
would have been condemned as they
also follow the church same as we
follow the temple or a mosque. -
Sonjjay Guptaa - May
11, 2007
Mr. Sonjjay Guptaa thinks that this
issue is small fish. He'd rather
bother his mental faculties with
'big fish' issues. How about
stopping the senseless killing in
Iraq ? With intellectually endowed
individuals like Mr. Guptaaa, the
war still rages, the killing still
goes on.
For me, I can not make a dent on the
issues in Iraq. Obscene behavior in
society sure does make me speak up.
Once a fox pup emerged out of his
lair , a few hours after his birth.
It had rained earlier that day and
there was a puddle nearby. He
exclaimed, "My God ! I have never
seen a flood like this in my life!"
A bird sitting nearby reminded him,
"Well son, how long has your life
been so far?"
Mr. Gupta mocked another reader's
contention that unless checked
people will bring indecency to the
ultimate level of making out in the
public. Like the fox pup, Mr. Gupta
does not know that in parts of
Europe people use the privacy of an
umbrella on one side and a shrub in
the park on the other to get on with
it - their heads and legs sticking
out. Ever wondered how easy it is to
romp around naked in France? Well
read this:
http://gofrance.about.com/cs/nudismnaturism/ht/nudismtips.htm
While Bill Clinton got severely
rapped for indiscretions with an
intern during his Presidency, the
French elected a very openly
promiscuous Nicholaus Sarkozy as
President just last week. Even his
wife is reported to be equally
promiscuous. If one has to turn a
blind eye to such thing by labeling
them "petty", would you also approve
of a womanizer living in Rashtrapati
Bhawan ? After all you elect someone
from the society. That person
reflects the values, traditions and
culture of the people who elect him.
I probably would not be surprised to
see Mr. Sanjjay Gupptaa carrying a
placard reading "M. F. Hussein for
P.M.!"
And how would you like to see 18,000
Indians stand naked in the Ramlila
grounds in the name of art ? Sounds
incongruous ? Well it should not be.
Just last month 18,000 people
collectively dropped their pants
(and everything else) in Mexico City
to be photographed by a moronic
'artist' who has been chased out of
USA for trying stunts like this
there.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/06/mexico.nude.ap/index.html
His next destination is Amsterdam.
Would Mr. Gupptaa like to extend an
invitation to India and have him
stay over at his place ? Sometimes
the exercise of thinking and doing
one's homework before beginning to
hammer the keys of the keyboard is
worth one's while. - Aarcee -
May
12, 2007
The scathing remarks by Mr. Aarcee
to my harmless comments to this
topic highlights the quantum of
triviality which I had remarked in
the opening statements of my
response.
In fact Mr. Aarcee is commenting on
the comments commented on his
article which in my opinion does not
reflect in good light simply because
if one does not agree to one's views
it does not mean that he will be
forced to agree by piling the
comment maker with so many examples
and then making a joke out of it.
I did not mock anyone , if you read
my comments carefully again you will
figure out that the centre point of
my response was not to make an issue
of things which do not make any or
little impact on others.
I have seen Mr. Aarcee commenting
many times on his write ups on
reader's response, he inundates this
forum with very high standard of
language which I am sure many people
may not get to the bottom of it
because we must not forget that we
are Indians and one is most
conversant in his native language
than any other however knowledgeable
one may be.
I am not that expert a writer than
Mr. Aarcee and I respect his views
on many topics and also admire his
articles and write ups posted here.
The examples of indecent behaviour
given by Mr. Aarcee (please read
them after my my earlier response)
across the world cannot be
paralleled by the kissing scene of
Gere and Shetty, he too admits that
people in Europe do it in parks
covered under umbrella and this is
the point I wanted to drive when I
commented on other reader's comment
on getting away after laying someone
in full public view.
Mr. Aarcee must be thanked for
writing this piece
But I must say that "Much ado about
nothing" must not be given too much
attention by sensible people of this
world. - Sonjjay Guptaa - May 24,
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