The Junior doctors of PMCH are killers and not the savior of human kind as presumed by many about this profession. They have not only tarnished the image of this profession but also have given a big slap on our education system that invests so much on nurturing these killers. Shame on you doctors...

Ambarish Kumar - June 6, 2008

First, thanks to the reservation system which rewards and favors underachievers just in the name of so called backwards/SC/ST - I have known wealthy people with SC/ST/backward tags getting admitted to medical schools even though they didn't work hard for it, were not committed to the profession, and didn't have much respect for the profession as a result. Nevertheless, these newbies have bubble head thinking they are on the top of the world and they can continue to act like total jerks and get away with it. Strike is their ultimate weapon.

I think it is also possible that these so called criminals turned junior doctors might belong to politically opposite camp of the current government - and they must have some agenda in doing this kind of violent acts - just to create disturbance, and malign the current government.

These offending fellows must be shown the door - with 10 years rigorous imprisonment, if not life sentence. Government should not be blackmailed by these doctor's strikes. If they get these doctors to jail for 10 years, it will change the face of the PMCH.

Ashok Nagar - June 7, 2008

I find this topic hilarious. The first sentence itself "Is there anyone to take care of law in Bihar?" is self-incriminating!! Can all three of you, Alok Nandan, Ambarish Kumar, and Ashok Nagar who are literally shouting away, give us only ONE incidence in your lives wherein you yourself made a difference in abiding by the law?? Ask yourself first!! Do not forget that when you are pointing ONE finger at someone, THREE of them are pointing at you, and ONE is asking God to forgive the other four fingers!! All good begins at home - show the world that you follow the law through thick and thin BEFORE pointing that others are bad!! If every citizen vows to follow just one rule of keeping himself within the law - they are bound to overshadow and weed out the bad!! I am not saying that there will no 'bad' ones, but I am saying that if at least the educated class vows to forego evil, the lesser percentage of bad ones can be weeded out easily. Presently ALL of us take pride in being evil, thus the rule of the thumb becomes that the bigger evil crushes the lesser evil, and the saying "Jiski lathee uski bhains" becomes prevalent!! I refuse to believe that any senile educated person can do any unlawful acts of this height unless he/she is really provoked!! No person on earth is 100%, otherwise he/she would be God!! But the evil is suppressed within oneself till provoked - and every action has to be seen from eyes of a neutral judge!! Yes, do fight evil by taking help from the law, and if that in itself is crooked then fight it yourself, but for heaven's sake DO NOT CREATE or PROVOKE EVIL !! I understand that presently the population, illiteracy, politicians, and many many more are all hurdles in achieving a safe lawful existence, but let us start with our own selves to create a peaceful law-abiding world!!

Ranjit Varma, Virginia, USA - June 10, 2008

You media people are so much corrupted and so mean that you have made all efforts to prove medicos as gunda.
You journalist tell me what is your education status,how much time you have paid to your study.What do you think you can prove anything wrong as right.Mind it was the lawyer who abused and fought and it was your person bringing false attendent to provoke doctors.But what do you think you people will win,alas kalyug mein bhi sachhai ki jeet hoti hai.We will fight till supreme court,we will go to president and governer.You have not seen our potential yet.If we can top at studies,we can do all things to defend us,because we are right.
Take care of your news channel.So we medicos will have our media.I will never treat any media person in my life because i m true and
i have not sold my moral like media person.May be possible that you may even edit this comment and use for your benefit.And also for mr.abhishek nagar,why are you so frustrated come on and meet me i will show you what reservation means.
Buy scoundrels how much will do damage to society,only god knows it.
So you people remain in your world of hallucination and enjoy your mean ideas and sick benefits.

Rajesh - June 10, 2008

Editor's note: There; your full comment completely unedited!

With temper flying so high, I wanted to be be little careful with the comments. First of all my total sympathy with the deceased family who lost the dear and precious member of the family. If it was due to negligence, culprits should be tried under the law of the land...

But what is happening is very disturbing, everyday the strike by the Junior docs makes us wonder, is this just their behaviour or something more? Like over worked, poor support infrastructure, and the most important is the lack of the process, for example, the based on the news I read, after the death of the poor child, some of the family members asked for the death certificate or something to state the reason of the death from the junior doc and all the hell broke, should it not be the duty of the hospital management on providing the patients family the needed doc, should it not be part of the process and right of the individual, why should the communication happen between doc and the patient, what is the role of the hospital, docs are there just to provide service..

Similarly, all those docs who took law in their hand should be asked to do 5 years community service, like working in the municipal hospital or else their degree should be de-recognized..

Thirdly, the press, why do they have to enter the hospital venue to take picture’s just to nail their own Bihari doc... to support some one on the cost of others, was the permission etc was taken by the management to enter the premises, what about the well being of the other patients or was privacy etc of women patient given respect? The problem here is not respecting the sanctity of a premises or an institution? Problem is all round.. It is hospital, paparazzi type of journalism can create more prob... but that still does not support them being beaten by the alleged docs..

Fourthly, the Lawyers' association took this as something personal, this shows how emotional and biased we can become.. when it came on us we showed a very undemocratic way of passing resolution of not taking case for those 11 absconding docs.. even at the highest emotional temper in USA after 9/11, the lawyers took the case of those AL-QAEDA militants captured, as that is the basic right of the humanity, not guilty till proven. and by not taking the case our Lawyer federation has shown un-democratic and unconstitutional trait... So how that is different from the docs who did so much harm to the PMCH and Bihar...

We all need to think... Once again we lost a dear little child and that is the state loss. May god give strength to the family.

Sharad, NJ, USA - Rajesh - June 10, 2008

Self-incriminating statement?

Mr. Verma, If you ask me one incidence, certainly I can not answer your question.

Abiding by law is my nature, if I break the rule whatever the circumstance it may be, I will accept the verdict gracefully. I pray god to give me strength to stand with law and justice.

For me, law is all what I have learnt from my parent, my dear teachers and a few people in my life who have always taught me to have strong faith in law of the land and god.

I have practiced the same in my day to day life, I always end up getting more viable of reasonable results. Certainly I have not learnt the law in police station or in court room.

I am a person who always advocate that law must prevail, it should be protected whatever the cost. Until that we can not talk about democracy and humanity.

You seem to be generalizing the matter (“aise hi chlta hai tendency”) by saying one can not have right to question if something wrong or unlawful is happening around, unless he/she himself is not a saint..? Is this a question or expectation?

Don’t mind my dear friend, you seem to know philosophy better than me (I agree totally with your finger policy), but seem to be justifying what those junior doctors are doing is right.

I would like to remind you the very famous story related to Gautam Buddha. Somebody's son died, her mother went to Buddha and prayed to her son's life. Buddha says, go and bring mustard from the house where nobody had ever died. If you are Gautam Buddha, yes you would have right to ask any one who are questioning if he or she has even offended law or rule.

I totally disagree with Ashok Nagar who brought this issue with reservation, no you should not apply same polish in all boots.

When I wrote this, the agitation was limited to PMCH, you must be aware, the very next day they had gone out to NMCH to do the same again. They think they are above the law, they can do anything.

Hare again I am pleased to know that our CM has taken strong stands against righting so called doctors. I salute my Chief Minister. The Government of Bihar seems to be doing what we reacted earlier, it was not my personal voice, this is what people of Bihar want. Even Bar council has decided not to take-up their cases. This all says that people of Bihar are tired of Gundaism.

You are saying DO NOT CREATE or PROVOKE EVIL.. ? oh..! This is a threat or a suggestion..? It means world should stop fighting or criticizing terrorism. They are devils and should not be provoked or overpowered.

You must have heard about Gandhi jee “karo ya maro” my dear friend, try to understand and go through reference, in which situation Gandhi Jee said that statement in which there was traces of Ahinsa. - Alok Nandan - June 12, 2008

Media is totally biased. They are presenting a twisted story.

The fact is:

1) Doctors (jr as well as sr) at PMCH are assaulted if some goonda family bring their relatives who are almost dead or about to die. If the patient dies, they accuse doctors of not treating the patient well. Then they assault the doctors as well.

2)There is no security given to the doctors from such anti-social elements. Doctors are left to themselves if they have to defend their own lives from angry relatives or cheap media people (trying to deliberately cook up stories) and their accomplices. - Prem - June 12, 2008

First of all I simply do not understand why my dear friend Mr. Ranjit Varma has taken it personally. I duly agree that none of us are free from sins, but if we were, we'd have been treated as GOD. Please do try to understand the current scenario of our state which you would never understand sitting in U.S. This state has suffered a lot in the previous regime when almost no development took place. Now when there is a committed person sitting as the CM and wishes to take the state to some greater heights, these medicos (sorry, WELL EDUCATED GUNDAS) want to do everything wrong they could to the underprivileged society of Bihar. They should not only be put into jails but should also be boycotted from the society. Cancel their degrees and put them into jails at east for more than 10 years. Some of them need to be treated in mental asylums. - Kumar Ambarish - June 12, 2008

Comment on comments by Alok Nandan.

My concern for Bihar is since the year 2002 when I visited Champaran, Bettiah, Motihari villages along with Dr. Savita Singh, the Director of Gandhi Smriti, New Delhi and a few eminent Gandhian thinkers. I was moved by poverty and insecurity of people living there. I remember having shared with Savitaji that I would take early retirement and settle in villages and contribute the way I can. Of course, Savita is a live example for her contribution to her native place, Bihar. One can contribute positively in a similar manner.

My suggestion to the NRIs is to adopt villages in India, contribute for it's development. Their knowledge and experiences abroad of law and order specially can help in a positive way. Every contribution would be valuable. - Nisha Bala Tyagi, Delhi University - June 14, 2008

First of all, let me apologize to the world of PatnaDaily readers that what I wrote on June 10, 2008 caused such a controversy!! Even in my wildest dream I will never support any kind of unprovoked violence -- and at the same time I will also not support tolerating any undue violence mooted on anyone!! Oh yes, my heartfelt condolences to the affected families!!

Secondly let me be very very very clear that my views in my last email were NOT aimed towards any "one" person, nothing "personal" to anyone, but was speaking about all of us in general, including myself!!

I am happy to note that Mr. Alok Nandan flared up and claimed that he is a "clean" person -- I would like to see each and every citizen of this world (let alone India and/or Bihar) claim that they are "clean" -- and actually mean it!!

You all have to agree that there are always TWO sides to a story!! As an accepted fact, each one of us look at anything from an angle that benefits oneself -- one sees a glass half full, and another sees it as half empty!! It is an individual's personality and bias which makes one's perception the way it is!!

Lalu has become a 'stamp' of Bihar -- even here in USA he has become a legend!! WHY ?? The middle class never gain popularity, but either the extreme end of 'good' or the extreme end of 'bad' become famous!! We, the people, create such 'legends' by giving them the power. Once such a guy spoils the environment -- why blame others?? The notion in Bihar has become the "laathi - bhains" type -- and is quite prevalent -- thus, why blame the Doctors only -- blame all of "we the people"!! So wake up people -- vote for the good people -- support them outright -- help them in any way you can -- and put Bihar back in the path that it was many many years ago!! Create a peaceful homely atmosphere in India, Bihar/Jharkhand, everywhere!!

Mr. Alok Nandan, in your original June 6, 2008 write-up, you have totally incriminated the Doctors!! That is what I had reacted to ........... No Doctor in their right mind will do any "disgraceful, shameful" act until they are provoked. I have a suspicion that the media made a big ruckus about it because some media guy may be having some grudge about some Doctor!! This is what psychology is all about -- truth when twisted and presented repeatedly, can start being accepted as facts!! I may be totally wrong in my assumption, but there is definitely some weight in my analogy!! There could definitely be one or two Docs who should be "hanged" -- but not ALL Docs are bad!! For example, because Lalu is a Bihari, do you agree that all Biharis are like Lalu ??

Some have used words like "reservation", "backward/SC/ST", "underprivileged", etc etc !! This is another stigma lingering in the Indian society!! The very thought of considering some to be privileged and some under-privileged should be scrapped from the minds of the people. Such thinking was in the past, and has no place in the present!! All humans have equal rights of existence, and keeping them separated in groups of castes/creed/ etc is nothing but just political. I know I am ranting, but these deep rooted factors are also causes of disruptions in society. A time has come when all castes / creed / backward / scheduled castes / forward / privileged / underprivileged / etc etc words should be scrapped from the dictionary. It fulfills nothing but the political vendetta of unruly politicians!!

Yes, I live in USA, but I still love India, and Bihar/Jharkhand -- my creator!! - Ranjit Varma, Virginia, USA - June 20, 2008

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